ShitEd: Names and instruments?
Danny: My name's Danny and I'm
the bassplayer.
Mike: Danny Cup-person!
Danny (correcting him): Coop-erson!
Mike: Mike Livingston, guitar.
Alex: Alex, drums.
Rick: Rick Wilder, and I'm the
singer.
ShitEd: Who started the Mau Maus and
when...
Mike (interupting): I DID!
ShitEd: ...I assume it was you, Rick?
Rick: No, actually it was a collective
effort between me, Rod Donahue and a guitar player at the Masque.
Mike: And Rick Sherman.
Rick: Yeah, Rick Sherman. But he
was a friend of mine; he wasn't in the band at first. I guess you could
say Rod Donahue and myself.
ShitEd: Okay. Who started the Berlin
Brats?
Rick: That was like ... we were
in high school.
ShitEd: What year was that?
Rick: Um, 70's, late 70's. Middle
70's. I'm not really sure. You lose some of the...
ShitEd: You lose brain cells?
Rick: Yeah! Why do you think they
call it dope?
Mike: What year did you do those
singles, "Tropically Hot" and...
Rick: You'd have to ask Rodney
(Bingenheimer of KROQ), Rodney would probably know... Probably '76. Or
early '77.
Mike: Do you guys remember when
you played at the Whisky?
Rick: When we first came to the
Masque we were still the Brats. We ran the first studio there. I have a
weird little black and white polaroid of a made-up band, and we just became...
One thing became the other. Also my girlfriend got killed by the Hillside
Strangler.
ShitEd (incredulous): Your girlfriend
got killed by the Hillside Strangler?
Rick: Thatís nothing! My girlfriend
Tiffany got killed by Joel Ripkin!
ShitEd: Who's that?
Rick: He killed 17 girls. She was
number 17.
Mike: She was the one who led to
his arrest, right?
Rick: Yeah!
Danny: He was a big serial killer.
He was in an episode of Seinfeld.
ShitEd: So the Berlin Brats were more
of a glam, glitter type of thing?
Rick: I wouldn't say that. Some
of the songs we do in the Mau Maus they're a little... I wouldn't say that.
Iíd say the style is a little different because at that time people liked
to dress up a little more, how shall I put it? Hollywoodish? Glamorous?
When punk first came in everyone was cutting their hair and walking around
in sunglasses--people that would do it overnight. Which I didn't respect.
Mike: Didn't you tell me once you
went to London?
Rick: Oh yeah.
Mike: When was that?
Rick: That was in October '77.
Or '78. It's hard to remember. Because Claude was there, Bessy. You know:
Kickboy. Darby (Crash) was there. Kibbidy Kennedy, my off and on girlfriend.
Castration Squad was there.
Mike: Didn't you do the Mau Maus
after you came back from that?
Rick: Oh yeah. I left right after
the Roosevelt, our first show. Right across the street from what became
Motel Hell. remember that big building in the garden court?
Mike: Yeah.
Rick: That was cool.
ShitEd: Did you hear that Kickboy died
of cancer?
Rick: Yeah, I heard all about it.
That's a shame. He was a nice guy, he really was.
ShitEd: So how many Berlin Brats songs
does the Mau Maus do?
Rick: Probably two.
Mike: We're working another four.
Rick: Yeah. "Tropically Hot" was
originally a Berlin Brats song.
ShitEd: How many total Berlin Brats
songs are there?
Rick: Probably about 20, but we
haven't worked on more than two or three.
ShitEd: How many Mau Maus songs are
there?
Rick: Probably totally about 20,
but about ten are finished.
Mike: I think we're working on
more like six Berlin Brats songs. We've got like "Psychotic", "Tropically
Hot", "House of Pleasure"...
Rick: "House of Pleasure" wasnít
really a Berlin Brats song. We did it, we messed around with it, but it
was never finished until I was in the Mau Maus.
Mike: "Joyride To The End of The
World"?
Rick: No, that was not a Berlin
Brats song.
Mike: Oh!
(despite having first joined the band
in 1979, Mike still doesn't know its whole history!)
ShitEd: So not much of this stuff is
recorded?
Rick: Berlin Brats? Both?
ShitEd: Both.
Rick: There's a Saturday Night
Pogo version of "Tropically Hot" and "Psychotic."
Mike: Is that the version with
Robby from the Doors on it?
Rick: No no no.
Mike: There's a version of "Psychotic"
with the Doors guitar player on it.
Rick: He was a friend of our ex-manager.
In fact, he came up with us to the Roosevelt and played.
ShitEd: Two, three years ago, right?
Rick: Yeah.
ShitEd: So when did you get Mike?
Mike: October/November ë79.
ShitEd: How old were you at the time?
Mike: 18.
ShitEd: So did the band play the Masque?
Rick: Oh yeah. We used to have
parties there. Our manager worked at Jurgenson's. He ripped off all this
liquor and people would come and they would always have a really good time
at a Mau Maus show!
Mike: I met Rick at the other Masque
though. I'm pretty sure it was the night the Cramps played their first
show here with the Dead Boys. Nicky Beat played with us.
Rick: That's right. Nicky Beat
used to be our drummer.
Mike: He used to be everybody's
drummer, ha ha!
Rick: Poor Nicky though--he got
in the Cramps, gets fired. Got in another big band, got fired. Now he's
making pizza I hear! Making pizza and flipping them in the air. I can't
believe it, somebody just told me that! It seems SO Nicky--can you see
him, flippin'? The Pizza? I can just see him flippin' the pizzas in the
air!
(Note: I just saw Nicky Beat playing
drums in the Mysteries with Dez Cadena and Jimmy Wilsey 4-15-00 at Mr T's
Bowl --Ed)
ShitEd (laughing): Okay, okay! Mike,
how many different times have you been in the Mau Maus?
Mike: Probably at least half a
dozen. Somewhere between three and six. It depends. Sometimes I'd be doing
other bands at the same time.
ShitEd: So Alex, before this gig, one
of the things you were doing, you were in the US Bombs, right?
Alex:
Yeah I was.
ShitEd: How long were you in the Bombs?
Alex: For nearly two years.
ShitEd: So you know Duane pretty well?
Alex: Yeah. Starting up a new project
with Duane as well.
ShitEd: what's this called?
Alex: It doesn't have a name yet.
(I
think this was the Hunns --Ed)
ShitEd: Danny, I heard you were in
Das Klown for a while?
Danny: Yeah I was for a while.
ShitEd: Got any AJ stories?
Danny: OH! AJ stories! Actually,
we did a Flipside single. The first single was on that, and I don't think
I was on anything else. But when I was first in Das Klown ... it was the
drummer from Detox, AJ, and then we had Eric playing guitar. It was a bunch
of friends getting together in my garage. And then it turned into "Let's
put a single out!" That sort of thing. It wasn't really meant to go on,
as far as AJ really has taken it!
ShitEd: Well, he's taken it on.
Rick: You know, Rick Agnew was
in the Mau Maus band too. Back in New York.
ShitEd: I hear he used to be your roommate!
Danny: Rick Agnew makes the rounds!
Rick: Nobody visited me in New
York except Rodney (Bingenheimer).
Danny: Rodney visited everybody's
band!
ShitEd (to Rick): I also heard--from
the people who just vacated this practice space--that Rick Agnew took to
wearing dresses because he was hanging out with you?
Rick: Well it could be! Hey, he
hung out with Roz (Williams of Christian Death) first! So hey! They came
and stayed at my house in New York when I was there.
ShitEd: So why the bondage and leather
thing, you into kinky women (his girlfriend is standing right there!) or
dominatrixes?
Rick: I am definitely into kinky
women!
Lori (referring to Rick): He IS
a kinky woman!
ShitEd: You like it painful?
Rick: I rather like being on the
other side, but I dish it out and can take it.
ShitEd: Okay, here's the obligatory
heroin question: you still shooting dope?
Rick: No.
ShitEd: Good. Got bored with it?
Rick: I think everybody gets bored
with it if you live long enough, and I was the first person who was SUPPOSED
to die! And I'm still HERE!
ShitEd: There you go.
Rick: Last man standing. Or last
animal standing...
Lori (Rick's girlfriend, referring
to Rick): Or last lesbian standing.
Rick: I am a lesbian!
ShitEd: Okay, and now everyone's going
to know it! Let's go back to a serious question: when are you guys going
to record all those Berlin Brats and Mau Maus songs?
Rick: We're working on them right
now.
ShitEd: And when they're finally done...
You know, the kids don't even know Mau Maus anymore.
Rick: Yeah, but some of these songs
are really fantastic. If you are going to stick around. Some of them are
more pop than punk, and it's cool.
ShitEd (to Rick): Do you have fun fucking
with people? With the way you look and the way you dress and present yourself,
you scare the shit out of people. Just like those cops outside just now?
You were scaring the hell out of one of those cops. Do you have fun with
that?
Rick: I just have fun changing
people's perceptions of what's "normal." I just don't think anything's
normal anymore. So do I have fun with it? Yes! Of course. I don't want
to start a fight.
Danny: When we were outside and
you walked past one of the cops, he looked at Lori, didnít know you were
together, and said "That guy scares me." (everyone laughs)
(The interview dissolves in weird babbling
and joking...)